# 3rd Grade Perimeter Part II

Last week, I posted about a 3rd grade lesson I planned and taught with Hope and Lori. We did not get to everything we planned so I love that they filled me in on what happened the next day when they continued the work! And when the continuation involves looking at student work, I love it even more! That said, this will be a bit of a student work-heavy post with things I noticed and wondered in steps moving forward from here with the students…

After measuring a piece of paper in the previous lesson, we wanted to ask students how they would find the distance around any-sized piece of paper. In giving them the journal writing, we wanted to have them reflect on the measuring and calculating they did in a more general sense and see how they put the process into words. Most student papers resembled the explanation in piece of work below:

It was really interesting to find most students drew a picture to illustrate their explanation even when not asked to do so. To me, this is a nice mix of show your thinking and show your work. In reading this example below, this student is thinking a lot about conversions and I think, moving forward, the class needs to have a discussion about combining different measurement units.

The mix of units shows up again below. I can see they probably chose centimeters because they didn’t have a smaller unit than the inch and didn’t know how to name the measurement in inches. I love the “not really the size” but I wonder about the border look of the perimeter. Is this student seeing the 6 inches and 3 cm ending where the line is and counting boxes instead of the distance around?

This one is an amazing look at how the formula we all know, and probably had to memorize, arises in third grade. The calculation on the back was equally as nice. This is an example of something during a class share that I would show last in a progression to compare with the previous strategies as it does a nice job of showing the process of finding perimeter in two ways.

This one was so interesting because it involved a square and a circle. The measurements on the back were most intriguing and I have so many questions for this student. Like, how do you know that is a square? (because the sides are not the same length) Where is the 1/2 coming from in your answer? (because I cannot tell where he is stopping and starting his measuring) and Why did you want to cut a circle and a square?

Then, Hope asked them to draw their own ant path and some really interesting things came out that will have to be a blog post in and of itself! There are things we didn’t think about in our question and some things we really need to think about moving forward. Like…

Could this student start thinking about area? Why did the choose to draw a non-rectangular path?

Where are the measurements for each side? Why did you label them where you did? Why did you choose to use inches and centimeters?

When did you choose to use inches and when did you choose centimeters? Could you have measured it all in inches? all in centimeters?

First, the fact the student sent the ant to Walmart is too funny:) I would love to ask this student how he or she added all of those side lengths? and Why was it longer to get home from Walmart than it was to get there? Could the ant have walked the same distance there and back? How?

On this one, we did not anticipate students’ ants taking the same path back that he did out. So this is important to think about distance and versus distance around something.

Oh, an isosceles right triangle, how fun! I would love to ask this student about this perimeter in centimeters because of the diagonal cuts in the boxes. A lot of students counted the diagonals as 1 unit like they did for the sides of the boxes, so would that work out if you measured it with a ruler in centimeters? Why?

My question is where to go with a student who is here? All teachers face this, right? There are some students who conceptually and computationally have a grasp on an idea. This student can obviously find perimeter and is very comfortable with the computation piece of it, so what do you ask him from here? Do you give him things to measure that closer to  a quarter and see how he works with the fractions? Do you ask him if his strategy will work for every shape? (I lean toward this one) Do you ask him about non-rectangular polygon areas? Do you do anything with area at this point? So much to think about!

~Kristin

## 4 thoughts on “3rd Grade Perimeter Part II”

1. howardat58

If you are going to look at non right angle corners (Ha! Do I mean vertices !!!) then maybe the time is right to tell them about the ancient Egyptians and the 3,4,5 and 8,10,12 triangles. This is not anything to do with Pythagoras, it was known centuries before (in case anybody complains). Then the measurements are nice. You could also look at what can be done with several side lengths and let them figure out that with the same perimeter the area depends on the shape. Leads to Dido and Carthage (I think) and the hide of an ass.

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1. mathmindsblog Post author

Hi Beverly! Thank you so much, I added the button! It never even occurred to me since I haven’t messed with my settings since I set the blog up a while ago (not really know what I was doing:)!

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2. Simon Gregg

Thanks, Kristin! I always learn something when I visit your blog!

I love the way the students are writing their journals! The way they reflect on the best way to do the measuring, and then give an example of the sort of thing they might do. Gives a great idea of where they are, and lots to share with the class later!

This thing about cm and inches seems to interest them. Do your rulers have one on one side and the other on the other? It seems like they would be interested to explore the two systems more.

Getting them to draw their own shapes was a good move too, and as you say that brings up all sorts of possibilities for the teachers to pursue.

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